ロコさんとの対話1
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独立にではなく、ロコさんのロコさんへの応答へのコメントのなかで、紹介されているようだ。
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ロコさんからこちらにコメントがきた。ロコさんのところで公開されていないので、なにかロコさんのところの読者に見せたくないものがあるのかもしれない。
なにかまずいことを書いてしまったのか?
なにかご意見があればお気軽にお聞かせいただきたい。
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ロコさんのところの A liberating thoughtにコメントしておいたが、なぜか、application error で投稿できないので、メールで送っておいた。
参照
日本人に対する異様な視線と”黒人”に対する異様な視線
道行く”黒人”への視線
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独立にではなく、ロコさんのロコさんへの応答へのコメントのなかで、紹介されているようだ。
Locohama
BTW please check out Sora-san's comments here: http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kentanak
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ロコさんからこちらにコメントがきた。ロコさんのところで公開されていないので、なにかロコさんのところの読者に見せたくないものがあるのかもしれない。
なにかまずいことを書いてしまったのか?
なにかご意見があればお気軽にお聞かせいただきたい。
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ロコさんのところの A liberating thoughtにコメントしておいたが、なぜか、application error で投稿できないので、メールで送っておいた。
Thank you for your helping your Japanese students "seeing all humans as humans"
As for integrating into Japanese society, it is really up to you.
I look upon Japan favorably just as you seem to look upon the U.S. favorably.
I am optimistic about Japan just like young mixed people in Japan in the video.
The way I see it, people in Japan and in the U.S. have the same tendency to look upon the unknown with fear and curiosity.
But Japan and the U.S. have different histories.
Black people are relatively new member to Japanese society.
Black people don't start their life here as slaves.
In Japan in the mid-1950s , Meredith, an American civil rights movement figure. stated, "he was never conscious of his racial identity as he was in the US. "
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kentanakachan/e/201f02874854b5e1f9dfeb32b905267a
The Japanese don't share the same bias with American people about black people just as, say, American people don't share the same prejudice against the Japanese with Korean people.
I'm not sure if you watched the video I cited.
http://blog.goo.ne.jp/kentanakachan/e/94fed8124550d9ad777ad206f7e78ff5
A young mixed race guy says
4:00
日本でハーフとして生まれて自分の肌の色とか目の色とかで弱い、って錯覚している人がいるんですけど、それ、本当に強さだから、もっともっとその弱さと思っているところを誇って頑張っていきましょう
There are some mixed-race people born in Japan who mistakenly think of the color of the skin and the eyes as a weak point, but in reality it is your merit, so be proud of what you think of your demerit and let's keep it up
This is a strong message to the mixed-race people and the traditional Japanese.
I am aware that one way or another some Japanese people have bias against black people, (that is probably why some young mixed race people thought of the color of the skin and the eyes as a demerit in the first place).
I am realistic about Japan. They might sometimes go through some troubles because of how they look and it might take some time to realize the society they wish.
But we have people like this young man now who can send a strong message like that to us presumably because he trust our society and people in it. I think it wont't take 400 years until they can integrate into Japanese society. They are already participating in Japanese society as one of us, speaking up to us, interacting with us, some with troubles, others with hopes.
Loco in yokohama is trying to get " a better understanding of the world and how people in it think and feel". I appreciate it. There is something to ask from a grumpy Japanese ojisan so that he may not get grumpier in reading your posts. Just read it half-heartedly and don't feel pressured.
You sometimes sounds like nobody except your students in Japan see humans as humans.
"I used to think of..... the Japanese guys as the Space Monkeys, only they don’t know they are" (What’s up, Loco? Question #4)
It might be the case that a few black guys and a few Japanese guys act as if inciting violence but it is not the case that blacks guys or Japanese guys incite violence; it is just that a few look at each other that way.
As I said before I am not sure if and how the Japanese people cower, flinch, and fleet at the sight of you, but I am sure some people stare at you and some people might have cowered at the sight of you. I understand it is frustrating enough and I don't want to make light of it, getting angry and furious is justified, but please get angry at this (Japanese) guy and that guy . not Japanese guys as Space Monkeys.(And avoid a physical confrontation.)
You said , "when I’m in the company of my Japanese girlfriend" "The look varies from curiosity to envy to shock to disgust (if I’m reading the faces right). The Japanese women represent the curious and envious and shock, the Japanese men show shock too sometimes, but generally bring the disgust." ( What’s up Loco? Question #2).
What is lacking here is exactly the real voices of the Japanese people which should represent how people in it think and feel. It is like a story told by a white person speculating about black people and black people wondering "hey what's he talking about?"
I can't speak for other people, but I for one would not feel shock; much less, disgust at the sight of a black person with a Japanese girl at all--- Perhaps curiosity yes.
I remember seeing a black person a few years ago in the company with a Japanese woman and their cute baby and another Japanese female friend on the Chuouo line he was a gentlemanly guy. A white woman happened to ride on the train so he gave a seat to her, talking to her in English while Japanese wife and her friend were chatting in Japanese. It was just one of the heartwarming scenes.
I am happy to hear that you are not Debito. But you admire Debito,which worries me. Debito and Tony Lazro did a good job at Otaru onsen . Since then they went different ways. The way I see it, his wife and Tony have been showing how Japanese and non-Japanese can get along by their examples. By contrast, Debito has been engaging negative campaign against Japan so much so that a young innocent guy who was curious about Japan give up coming to Japan,Trying to change Japanese society for better is welcome, but it makes no sense and no difference if you don't discuss the problem with the Japanese people in Japanese as I have argued and if the information provided are often misguided and won't accept corrections. The blog is not open minded and it just provides the oasis for Japan haters with something like Paris syndrome
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome
and attracts many expats who want to let steam off.
The photos are nice. I like to hear the regular conversations with Japanese students. That also helps other people understand it is just a common scene that people like you and the Japanese people stay together.
Too demanding? maybe.Just let it go in one ear and out.
参照
日本人に対する異様な視線と”黒人”に対する異様な視線
道行く”黒人”への視線
You have a very high opinion of your people which you should I guess. But, what u don't realize is you are not typical. Your mind is much more open than most of your fellow Japanese.
When I make statements about people i base it on experience conversations and observation of behavior. Sure there is a margin for error and I try to allow for that in my description, as I should. You either can believe me or not. I don't have video evidence to back up my claims. I just use the video camera in my mind which I admit can be senstitive and too observant at times.
You offered to meet me and follow me around one time. i couldn't really take that seriously because it would be a challenge to say the least. But i think it might be useful for you to see your people through my eyes so you can stop speaking to me like i speak in hyperbole when actually I'm downplaying much of what I see. Like I say, it doesn't happen every moment but it happens everywhere and every day, and i welcome you to come and see for yourself.
I don't know what to say about those ha-fu kids except that I appreciate what they are trying to do and their pain. I hope their efforts will result in some positive changes occur within themselves, something that bolsters their own sense of self-worth so that they can withstand the onslaught they are sure to continue to be subject to theoughout their lives in Japan for it will be some time before their dreams of equal treatment are realized. I do not have such a vested interest in Japan as they do (being citizens and what not) so I have not their motivation or desire.
Debito is a fighter. His methods may be questionable at times but his goals are admirable, and if his work has deterred people from coming to Japan, so what. Jaoan is certainly not for everyone. You have to be really tough to put up with the foolishness here. And really patient. And some people just know themselves well enough to know that they could never tolerate the stuff Debito addresses and tolerates. You should be happy he kept the away. Who knows? That guy may have come here and snapped and hurt himself, another person, and worst of all the set the movement Debito is spareheading towards equal treatment for foreign born citizens back years! Youknowhutumsayin?
If I sound like nobody besides my students see me as human, it's not accurate. What is accurate is what I say: Those that know me love me, those that don't generally fear me. And their unwarranted fear is what makes me feel dehumanized. That's the way it is. I don't think it's necessarily racism, oe xenophobia. It's probably just your "Iwakan" but the impact it has on a person, a target, when iwakan is being experienced by nearly EVERYONE in your vicinity is pretty overwhelming and difficult to ignore or tolerate, Sora-san. And it seems to be something you refuse to understand. it's my only point really. it's the source of my anger, when it arises. It's the cause of my loss of patience when it occurs. It7s the bane of my existence in Japan, and if I didn't receive so much love from the people i do know, for balance you see, I'd have left Japan years ago and warned everyone i knew at the top of my breath not to go or to prepare yourself for a very tough assignment!
Anyway, I'll get back to you next time Sora san
peace Loco
ありがとうございます。
like i speak in hyperbole when actually I'm downplaying much of what I see.
いやいや、そいうことではなくて、わからない、ということです。そして、たぶん多くの日本人もわからないでしょう。
And some people just know themselves well enough to know that they could never tolerate the stuff Debito addresses and tolerates
具体的にはどういうことですか?
例えば、日本では外国人を殺しても赦されるということですか?
Debito is a fighter.
誰と戦っているのですか?
His methods may be questionable at times
いつもでしょう?
but his goals are admirable,
目的は何なんですか?
if his work has deterred people from coming to Japan, so what. Jaoan is certainly not for everyone
つまり、ロコさんは嘘付いて憎悪を植え付けるのもいたしかたない、と。
You have to be really tough to put up with the foolishness here.
どういうことですか?
Debito is spareheading towards equal treatment for foreign born citizens back years!
具体的に何をしたか教えていただけますか?
Those that know me love me, those that don't generally fear me.
それはどうでしょうか?どうやって、確かめたのですか?
a target, when iwakan is being experienced by nearly EVERYONE in your vicinity is pretty overwhelming and difficult to ignore or tolerate, Sora-san. And it seems to be something you refuse to understand.
それは逆でしょう。その点について理解しようとしているのです。
ただ、わからないわけでもない。ぼくも英語圏で投稿するときには多少似た感じをもつ。
I'd have left Japan years ago and warned everyone i knew at the top of my breath not to go or to prepare yourself for a very tough assignment!
まあ、たしかに、似たようなことしている米国嫌いの非米国人もいますよね。
I'll get back to you next time Sora san
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Could you tell me why my comment was not posted on your blog?
You couldn't tolerate it? or it was beyond just iwakan Or you didn't see want your readers to know that there was a Japanese who didn't look at interracial couple with disgust? or what?
、http://www.locoinyokohama.com/2010/12/07/a-liberating-thought/#comment-108471323
For a New Yorker, the opposite of observ
ant is victimization, death, or missed opportunities to improve one's lot
ニューヨークって本当にこわそうですね。
Naturally you would approve of that. in Japan, "My darling is from another world thus he does ridiculous and funny stuff but I love him just as i would love a regular person" is a huge step forward in japan. But, makes me uneasy to say to least. Have to agree on with big D on that one!
なんだかよくわからない理由ですね。
ただ、こちらでやりたいというのでしたら、それは構いません。
Could you leave the link to this post on your comment section to be fair?
My darling is from another world thus he does ridiculous and funny stuff
なにをおっしゃろうとされているのかよくわからない。
Have to agree on with big D on that one!
ビックDってどなたですか?
My darling is from another world thus he does ridiculous and funny stuff"= My darling is a foreigner"
ありがとう。
Big D= Debito
なるほど有道氏のことですね。
有道氏はトニー氏に関して意見というのは、
祝「ダーリンは外国人」の映画化、「トニー」についてパロディーマンガ
Posted by debito on December 31st, 2009
www.debito.org/?p=5599
これですけど、ロコさんは有道氏の評価に賛成するというわけですね。
また、ロコさんは、外国人を殺しても日本では容赦されるとか、嘘や誇張をいって日本にくるな、とかいうことを推進したいわけですね?
My darling is from another world
まず、世界ではなくて、違う国ということですね。
thus he does ridiculous and funny stuff
ダーリンは外国人、お読みになったのですか?
私は電車の中でモニターに映るの見ましたけど、とくにトニー氏をからかったようなところはないですよ。
夫婦の生活をコミカルに描いているのであって、外国人をからかって描いたようなところはない。
具体的にあれば教えていただけますか?
また、在日外国人の住居の問題を扱っていたのもありました。
すべて日本語で。
こういった活動はお嫌いだというわけですか?
人は信じたい事だけを信じると言う事かな。
Thanks.
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”I can't communicate well enough in Japanes”
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Let me make sure a few points.
1)Did you understand what I wrote here on this comment section.
2)Or is it just that you can't write well in Japanese?
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I feel that my English is being misunderstood and/or misconstrued at your end (but i believe the former) to the detriment of the discourse.
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Just point out where I misunderstood you.
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If you would like to meet in person and have a discussion, or if you would like to see for yourself what I speak of (I'm afraid for you though because it may shock you to death to see how people behave judging from some of your retorts) I'm open to that,
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I'd rather have an open discussion so everyone can see.
But as for meeting in person to see what is going on around you, I feel like it.
How long do you think it takes to see what you were talking about? Could you send me e-mail so we can set up the time?
Let's see when we can meet.
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as far as discussing these ideas our mutual blogs I'm afraid it has become mendokusai
→That's okay.
But I wonder why you didn't leave the link to this post on your blog.
You don't have to respond nor discuss, but I want your readers to read my post and if possible, I want to hear their opinions and criticisms.