One NJ exchange student’s rotten experience as a J MOE-MEXT ryuugakusei
Posted by debito on December 10th, 2009
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そうですね。なんすか？
スカラシップで日本にきた学生の愚痴みたいだね
実名なし。日本人のレイプ被害者などを誹謗するときは実名だしてたのにね。
パリ症候群ならぬ日本症候群でしょ。
そもそも、ヘイトサイトに投稿している、ところが間違い。
コメント欄に特徴があるね。
１）デビトさんを褒めるか、２）日本・日本人を貶すか、しなくてはいけない。
そうでない場合は？
ないわけではないが、危険だね。
３）デビトさんのやり口をけなしたり、４）日本を擁護したり、ほめたりしたら？
公開されないか、いじめにあう危険が高いね。
Max Von Schuler-Kobayashiさんなんかその典型でしょう。
まあね。
これ、デビトさんじゃないの？
かもね
他国と比較してもしょうがない、ってそもそも、デビトさんのところがやっていたことじゃないの？
そうだよ。
不当に扱われたと感じるものを責めてはいけない、って？
アホだね。まず、事実はどうだったか、そして、それが不当か、などを吟味しなくてはね。
「あたしは在日外国人にいじめられました」
「うちのお店では在日外国人に万引きにあいました」
「在日外国人に英語を笑われました」
「在日外国人にケチつけられて、商品盗まれました」
在日外国人のトラブル体験談を募集して、事実か否かも吟味せず、在日団体を罵倒して、いい体験は公開しないか、いい体験談についてたしなめたり、事実を問うたら、いじめられるサイトがあれば、それは、ヘイトサイトだろ？
まあね。
Japan Times もそろそれ手をひかないと・・・
そもそも、日本語上手と言われて、日本語で書けないのが寂しいね。
在日外国人の方で議論したい方があれば、どしどし、このブログで、あるいは、ご自身のブログ、その他で、日本語で日本人とやってもらいたいね。その方が相互理解が深まるしね。
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Posted by debito on December 10th, 2009
debito.org/?p=5423
コメントが伸びているね
そうですね。なんすか？
スカラシップで日本にきた学生の愚痴みたいだね
実名なし。日本人のレイプ被害者などを誹謗するときは実名だしてたのにね。
パリ症候群ならぬ日本症候群でしょ。
そもそも、ヘイトサイトに投稿している、ところが間違い。
コメント欄に特徴があるね。
１）デビトさんを褒めるか、２）日本・日本人を貶すか、しなくてはいけない。
そうでない場合は？
ないわけではないが、危険だね。
３）デビトさんのやり口をけなしたり、４）日本を擁護したり、ほめたりしたら？
公開されないか、いじめにあう危険が高いね。
Max Von Schuler-Kobayashiさんなんかその典型でしょう。
まあね。
71 JP Says:
December 11th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
How many times do we need to go through this? If it didn’t happen to you, doesn’t mean it does not happen. Just because it doesn’t bother you doesn’t mean its ok. Comparison to “how it is” in other countries, does not make it right or wrong. Good ideas are good and bad ideas are bad in their own right. Can we get past this? And most important to everyone is this: it is never right to blame someone who feels that they have been wronged.
これ、デビトさんじゃないの？
かもね
他国と比較してもしょうがない、ってそもそも、デビトさんのところがやっていたことじゃないの？
そうだよ。
不当に扱われたと感じるものを責めてはいけない、って？
アホだね。まず、事実はどうだったか、そして、それが不当か、などを吟味しなくてはね。
「あたしは在日外国人にいじめられました」
「うちのお店では在日外国人に万引きにあいました」
「在日外国人に英語を笑われました」
「在日外国人にケチつけられて、商品盗まれました」
在日外国人のトラブル体験談を募集して、事実か否かも吟味せず、在日団体を罵倒して、いい体験は公開しないか、いい体験談についてたしなめたり、事実を問うたら、いじめられるサイトがあれば、それは、ヘイトサイトだろ？
まあね。
Japan Times もそろそれ手をひかないと・・・
そもそも、日本語上手と言われて、日本語で書けないのが寂しいね。
在日外国人の方で議論したい方があれば、どしどし、このブログで、あるいは、ご自身のブログ、その他で、日本語で日本人とやってもらいたいね。その方が相互理解が深まるしね。
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– And the ones I let through were the milder ones. You should see how nasty some of the “comments” I deleted were…
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December 20th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
As an graduate of the very same program as Laura (the MEXT scholarship for undergraduate students) and a longtime Japan resident afterwards, I would like to give my impressions.
The one-year language course was one of the best experiences during my time in Japan. Contrary to the impressions related by others on this topic, one year at the school (mine was at the Tokyo Univ. of Foreign Studies) IS enough for a dedicated student to learn academic Japanese from an almost zero base. I have nothing but praise for my instructors who were knowledgeable, dedicated and fair. For prospective students considering this course, I would like to advise, however, that while it is a comprehensive and very intensive course, it is academically-oriented. The circumstances only give very limited opportunities for mixing with Japanese students, learning ‘everyday’ Japanese, and getting used to the social customs here. Personally, I was lucky to become a member of an international association which gave me a lot of practice with the locals. It is often too easy to mix only with those from your own country or others from a similar background – the ones who do so invariably run into adjustment problems once they continue into Japanese university. Even with this preparation, I also encountered some social difficulties during my undergraduate years, some similar to Laura’s problems (difficulty in making friends, the Gee Whiz It Talks phenomenon, some student/staff racism)… but nothing incommensurate or worse to what I would experience if I had gone to any other country. [unsubstantiated claim deleted]
Yes, I can confirm that the program has its flaws. But the flaws did not include racism or discrimination against “non-Asian” students. I have absolutely no experience that suggested the staff and teachers gave preferential treatment to “Asians” over “non-Asians”. Asian students from certain countries did have a head start on the Japanese language and kanji, and also come from cultures that share some features to that of Japan. But other Asian students, such as those from Malaysia, Thailand, Indonesia, Cambodia etc., including myself, did not. Yet I did not experience any difference in how they treated both groups, nor the non-Asian students, on the basis of nationality. We were treated equally by the staff and teachers, equally well when we were following rules, and equally punitively when we disregarded them. Some people, of course, were more culturally conditioned to accept the sometimes arbitrary and illogical rules, some others regularly protested and insisted on ‘logical explanations’ for the rules, and yet some others had no intention of following them at all. I did observe that more Westerners fell into the second group, which may partly explain Laura’s feeling of discrimination.
I agree with Tamy’s comments ; “The budget wasn’t cut just to continue getting more students from Asian countries, the Asian students also got the same budget cuts. There is nothing to suggest that the racial demographic of intake students have changed. The Asian students who happened to be part of Laura’s classes, contrary to what she may believe, weren’t getting any preferential treatment or hindering her study… While the issues Laura highlighted certainly need to be raised and aired, I personally think the Asians were also the victims of the same policies which facilitated an adverse environment for learning, and creating this mythical beast of preferential treatment for Asian students only detracts from her main argument and the serious nature of her experience.”
Now in reference part of Laura’s experience, which is at university: dear prospective MEXT scholarship students, yes, there are stringent attendance requirements. Yes, the schools (second-tier national universities in particular) often have inadequate support systems for undergraduate international students. Yes, the way you are assessed is not the same as how a Western university would assess you. Yes, the standard of instruction is variable especially at some of the second tier universities. And finally, YES, even though you are a foreign student, as an undergraduate student in a Japanese university there is an expectation that you conform to the same set of rules – both written and unwritten – as your Japanese counterparts, however illogical, discriminatory, ill-thought-out, childish, or arbitrary they seem to you. Expect no special treatment. Adjust your expectations accordingly.
– We’ve discussed this phenomenon at least twice before in this blog entry. I think you’re trying too hard to blame the victim based upon the lack of overlap between your and her experiences. Basta.
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