Well, Bapak says that the nafsu generated by animal force is nafsu Supiah .
From the description of the Koran as usual.
・・・I'm sorry, this nafsu is not on the Koran.
It seems that the Java mystic diverted the arabic language, "Nafs al-Safiyah" used by Islamic mysticist sufi.
By Sufi from Wiki , According to the standard 7 Nafs in the Sufi's world, ＜－－Link
７．The pure nafs (an-nafs aṣ-ṣāfīyyah)
And from the 4 Nafsu system at Wayang, ＜－－Link
３．Yellow means the desire sufiah or bodily disposition.
In section 41 of the Gumelaring Jagad which described the tradition of Java ＜－－Link
３．Supiyah, the color is yellow.
The place is in the spleen.
The physical body is eager to own something good and beautiful.
Then, lastly from the explanation of Bapak with a certain talk, ＜－－Link
The third Nafsu (passion) is called ( in Arabic ) supiah;
supiah is ( in Indonesian ) keinginan, desire;
the color corresponding to nafsu (Sukma : fine body) is Yellow.
Then Bapak told about Nafsu Supiah.
The following will be quoted from there.
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July 20, 1957 - Bapak
The third is the nafsu surlyah, as it is called in spiritual language, and the nature of its light is yellow.
・・・
the third, the nafsu surlyah, is the one that wants things; (Note: normally referred to as "ownership"or "greed").
(Note: The third is supiah but in two talks including this talk a word called surlyah is used.)
September 29, 1957 - Bapak
the third is surlyah, or the wish become, oneself, the most famous and well known;
August 6, 1959 - Bapak
the third, supiah; supiah is keinginan, desire;
August 7, 1959 - Bapak
the third, supiah; supiah is desire;
March 5, 1963 - Bapak
The third passion is supiah.
It can be explained as the passion that wants, that wants all kinds of things.
So if it influences your heart, you want this and want that; you want to look at this and you want to look at that.
You do not consider the use of what you want, you just want it and would like to acquire it.
(Note: normally referred to as "ownership"or "greed")
13 SEPT 1963 - Bapak
As well as these two kinds of desire there is a third one, for which the Indonesian word is supiah.
Supiah means wanting things, being finicky or finding fault.
It means paying attention to and thinking about little things.
For example, if you see a friend wearing attractive clothes, you cannot let it alone; you will feel envy.
You are bothered by seeing your friend wearing attractive clothes.
The same is true if you see your friend getting a promotion.
It upsets you.
It is as if you would have prevented them from getting a promotion if you could.
That is the desire called supiah.
July 8, 1970 - Bapak
The essence of the animal life force, when the animal life force works in the human self, manifests as the nafsu called supiah.
Similarly with the animal, similarly with the human life forces.
December 5, 1970 - Bapak
the nafsu arising from the animal life force is supiah,
・・・
If you lived without the nafsu supiah, your energy for work and your sexual energy would decrease.
November 26, 1972 - Bapak
You need to be powered by the life force or nafsu called supiah, the nafsu supiah, which has its origin in the animal life force, the roh khwaniah.
This is called the nafsu supiah and from it there arises the urge, the wish, the desire to mate with one's own kind.
That means to mate or to be united with other human being, and to raise up human seed; to have sexual intercourse.
That is why you need to have the khewaniah life force and the nafsu supiah, which is desire.
Because of that, desire is in the nature of women.
That is obvious.
Yes, though it is more obvious in a man, yet it is also present in women, and indeed it has the same significance.
June 18, 1981 - Bapak
The nafsu Supiah is the nafsu of grand designs, of great wishes and plans.
January 19, 1985 - Bapak
Another of these forces is called the animal life-force, which when it manifests in the human self is called the nafsu supiah.
Thus the animal life-force manifests in strong desires, so that human beings, also assert that they should be able to get rid of this nafsu and its influence and to check its influence upon them.
So they avoid eating meat, just meat, not other things.
This wish in human beings to be pure and do what is right is indeed present in them by the Will of Allah.
・・・・・
This has a great deal of influence upon people, and many who do not eat meat say that doing this can keep that nafsu out of their inner-selves, out of their selves.
But they cannot do that, for if it were kept out it would mean death.
That is why it was said in the old days by people who were seeking Ilmu ( spiritual wisdom ) that they were seeking a way by which to understand how to die while still alive.
That was their story, but that was a tale told by the dalang ( puppet master ), and the dalang was not an actor, That is why these true teachings are present in religion, but nevertheless they barely reach as far as the shariat ( outward observances ) but only the tarekat ( study of religion ), so that from there it spreads further and deeper until one comes to the hakekat, the true reality.
June 24, 1985 - Bapak
The third kind of nafsu is the nafsu supiah, which is the nafsu of desire; that is, you want to achieve this, you want to achieve that, you are very ambitious to do this and that, always having an aim or an objective, which you want to achieve.
・・・
Above that again is the life force of animals, and that is the one that gives rise to the nafsu supiah.
Don't imagine that animals are not all around us.
Actually, in the air around us there is animal life, this has been confirmed for Bapak by medical science, that everywhere around us and inside us there are animals, quite apart from the fact that we also eat meat.
Now it is well known that if we don't eat meat, we lack enthusiasm for work.
And therefore, again,it is clear that for our life in this world, animal food is important.
Without it we lack something, we lack energy, we lack determination, so therefore it is something useful, it is not something to be given up.
So it is clear that although the animal forces are bad if viewed from the kejiwaan point of view, they can be used for something good.
What is bad can be used by what is good, and similarly, what is good can be made use of by that which is bad.
So therefore good and bad have their place and their role and both are needed.
June 25, 1985 - Bapak
The nafsu supiah is based on man's need to eat meat, the flesh of animals.
12/16/1999 - Ibu
the yellow one which is the Nafsu Supiah
July 12, 2001 - Ibu
The yellow one wants to know things.
(Note: It is usually called curiosity.)
February 28, 2002 - Ibu
and the yellow one is the passion that wants to know things.
the yellow one is called supiah,
March 3, 2002 - Ibu
the passion supiah is yellow, the yellow one gives you the desire to achieve something you want,
March 10, 2002 - Ibu
The yellow one, supiah, is curious by nature, and gives someone the desire to know, to understand what he or she experiences.
November 25, 2002 - Ibu Rahayu
The nature of the third one called supiah is to want to know - to want to know all kinds of things.
To want to know means to want to develop, to want to develop one's self, to want to know about the world - to want to know.
25th February, 2005 - Ibu
Then there is the supiah force, which gives a person the desire to know things.
It is this desire or curiosity that causes human endeavour.
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PS
Thus, as mentioned above, successors will never refer to Bapak's explanation "Animal force creates nafsu supiah".
There is no mention of the relationship between animal force and nafsu supiah.
Why?
Here, when referring to the relationship between animal force and nafsu supiah, it means "What is the nafsu corresponding to material force then?"
In the same way, "What is the nafsu corresponding to vegetable force?"
And that is like a taboo that the successor never touches . ＜－－ Link
If we change our viewpoint, it is said that the successor's talk is edited by the successor who covers only part of Bapak's talk.
As it is so, we are going back to the original and it is important that we confirm Bapak's assertion.
PS
The correspondence between Roh and Nafsu, or the correspondence between the four life forces and four desires is the key point of Bapak's argument.
Then, ignoring that argument, it would be impossible to explain Bapak's assertion and to understand that assertion.
As some confusion was seen in a part of the correspondence between Roh and Nafsu, it seems to have made a judgment that attention will be badly influenced onto the members.
And it seems to be thought that it is "good" in a way, but it seems that the disadvantage by that thing is much larger.
It is not an overstatement to say that it is almost a fatal mistake to explain Bapak's argument and to be understood it.
If so, the situation is truly a disappointing situation.
PS
For your information
From "Sedulur Papat Limo Pancer In Kejawen Philosophy"＜－－Link
Sufiyah lust relates to worldly desires to be praised, to be rich, to get degrees and rank, loba, greed etc.
This lust corresponds to the nature of the air that becomes the body-forming element.
The nature of the air is always to fill the space while the space exists (empty space).
・Susila Budhi Dharma ・・・glance＜－－Link
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From the description of the Koran as usual.
・・・I'm sorry, this nafsu is not on the Koran.
It seems that the Java mystic diverted the arabic language, "Nafs al-Safiyah" used by Islamic mysticist sufi.
By Sufi from Wiki , According to the standard 7 Nafs in the Sufi's world, ＜－－Link
７．The pure nafs (an-nafs aṣ-ṣāfīyyah)
And from the 4 Nafsu system at Wayang, ＜－－Link
３．Yellow means the desire sufiah or bodily disposition.
In section 41 of the Gumelaring Jagad which described the tradition of Java ＜－－Link
３．Supiyah, the color is yellow.
The place is in the spleen.
The physical body is eager to own something good and beautiful.
Then, lastly from the explanation of Bapak with a certain talk, ＜－－Link
The third Nafsu (passion) is called ( in Arabic ) supiah;
supiah is ( in Indonesian ) keinginan, desire;
the color corresponding to nafsu (Sukma : fine body) is Yellow.
Then Bapak told about Nafsu Supiah.
The following will be quoted from there.
ーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーー
July 20, 1957 - Bapak
The third is the nafsu surlyah, as it is called in spiritual language, and the nature of its light is yellow.
・・・
the third, the nafsu surlyah, is the one that wants things; (Note: normally referred to as "ownership"or "greed").
(Note: The third is supiah but in two talks including this talk a word called surlyah is used.)
September 29, 1957 - Bapak
the third is surlyah, or the wish become, oneself, the most famous and well known;
August 6, 1959 - Bapak
the third, supiah; supiah is keinginan, desire;
August 7, 1959 - Bapak
the third, supiah; supiah is desire;
March 5, 1963 - Bapak
The third passion is supiah.
It can be explained as the passion that wants, that wants all kinds of things.
So if it influences your heart, you want this and want that; you want to look at this and you want to look at that.
You do not consider the use of what you want, you just want it and would like to acquire it.
(Note: normally referred to as "ownership"or "greed")
13 SEPT 1963 - Bapak
As well as these two kinds of desire there is a third one, for which the Indonesian word is supiah.
Supiah means wanting things, being finicky or finding fault.
It means paying attention to and thinking about little things.
For example, if you see a friend wearing attractive clothes, you cannot let it alone; you will feel envy.
You are bothered by seeing your friend wearing attractive clothes.
The same is true if you see your friend getting a promotion.
It upsets you.
It is as if you would have prevented them from getting a promotion if you could.
That is the desire called supiah.
July 8, 1970 - Bapak
The essence of the animal life force, when the animal life force works in the human self, manifests as the nafsu called supiah.
Similarly with the animal, similarly with the human life forces.
December 5, 1970 - Bapak
the nafsu arising from the animal life force is supiah,
・・・
If you lived without the nafsu supiah, your energy for work and your sexual energy would decrease.
November 26, 1972 - Bapak
You need to be powered by the life force or nafsu called supiah, the nafsu supiah, which has its origin in the animal life force, the roh khwaniah.
This is called the nafsu supiah and from it there arises the urge, the wish, the desire to mate with one's own kind.
That means to mate or to be united with other human being, and to raise up human seed; to have sexual intercourse.
That is why you need to have the khewaniah life force and the nafsu supiah, which is desire.
Because of that, desire is in the nature of women.
That is obvious.
Yes, though it is more obvious in a man, yet it is also present in women, and indeed it has the same significance.
June 18, 1981 - Bapak
The nafsu Supiah is the nafsu of grand designs, of great wishes and plans.
January 19, 1985 - Bapak
Another of these forces is called the animal life-force, which when it manifests in the human self is called the nafsu supiah.
Thus the animal life-force manifests in strong desires, so that human beings, also assert that they should be able to get rid of this nafsu and its influence and to check its influence upon them.
So they avoid eating meat, just meat, not other things.
This wish in human beings to be pure and do what is right is indeed present in them by the Will of Allah.
・・・・・
This has a great deal of influence upon people, and many who do not eat meat say that doing this can keep that nafsu out of their inner-selves, out of their selves.
But they cannot do that, for if it were kept out it would mean death.
That is why it was said in the old days by people who were seeking Ilmu ( spiritual wisdom ) that they were seeking a way by which to understand how to die while still alive.
That was their story, but that was a tale told by the dalang ( puppet master ), and the dalang was not an actor, That is why these true teachings are present in religion, but nevertheless they barely reach as far as the shariat ( outward observances ) but only the tarekat ( study of religion ), so that from there it spreads further and deeper until one comes to the hakekat, the true reality.
June 24, 1985 - Bapak
The third kind of nafsu is the nafsu supiah, which is the nafsu of desire; that is, you want to achieve this, you want to achieve that, you are very ambitious to do this and that, always having an aim or an objective, which you want to achieve.
・・・
Above that again is the life force of animals, and that is the one that gives rise to the nafsu supiah.
Don't imagine that animals are not all around us.
Actually, in the air around us there is animal life, this has been confirmed for Bapak by medical science, that everywhere around us and inside us there are animals, quite apart from the fact that we also eat meat.
Now it is well known that if we don't eat meat, we lack enthusiasm for work.
And therefore, again,it is clear that for our life in this world, animal food is important.
Without it we lack something, we lack energy, we lack determination, so therefore it is something useful, it is not something to be given up.
So it is clear that although the animal forces are bad if viewed from the kejiwaan point of view, they can be used for something good.
What is bad can be used by what is good, and similarly, what is good can be made use of by that which is bad.
So therefore good and bad have their place and their role and both are needed.
June 25, 1985 - Bapak
The nafsu supiah is based on man's need to eat meat, the flesh of animals.
12/16/1999 - Ibu
the yellow one which is the Nafsu Supiah
July 12, 2001 - Ibu
The yellow one wants to know things.
(Note: It is usually called curiosity.)
February 28, 2002 - Ibu
and the yellow one is the passion that wants to know things.
the yellow one is called supiah,
March 3, 2002 - Ibu
the passion supiah is yellow, the yellow one gives you the desire to achieve something you want,
March 10, 2002 - Ibu
The yellow one, supiah, is curious by nature, and gives someone the desire to know, to understand what he or she experiences.
November 25, 2002 - Ibu Rahayu
The nature of the third one called supiah is to want to know - to want to know all kinds of things.
To want to know means to want to develop, to want to develop one's self, to want to know about the world - to want to know.
25th February, 2005 - Ibu
Then there is the supiah force, which gives a person the desire to know things.
It is this desire or curiosity that causes human endeavour.
ーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーー
PS
Thus, as mentioned above, successors will never refer to Bapak's explanation "Animal force creates nafsu supiah".
There is no mention of the relationship between animal force and nafsu supiah.
Why?
Here, when referring to the relationship between animal force and nafsu supiah, it means "What is the nafsu corresponding to material force then?"
In the same way, "What is the nafsu corresponding to vegetable force?"
And that is like a taboo that the successor never touches . ＜－－ Link
If we change our viewpoint, it is said that the successor's talk is edited by the successor who covers only part of Bapak's talk.
As it is so, we are going back to the original and it is important that we confirm Bapak's assertion.
PS
The correspondence between Roh and Nafsu, or the correspondence between the four life forces and four desires is the key point of Bapak's argument.
Then, ignoring that argument, it would be impossible to explain Bapak's assertion and to understand that assertion.
As some confusion was seen in a part of the correspondence between Roh and Nafsu, it seems to have made a judgment that attention will be badly influenced onto the members.
And it seems to be thought that it is "good" in a way, but it seems that the disadvantage by that thing is much larger.
It is not an overstatement to say that it is almost a fatal mistake to explain Bapak's argument and to be understood it.
If so, the situation is truly a disappointing situation.
PS
For your information
From "Sedulur Papat Limo Pancer In Kejawen Philosophy"＜－－Link
Sufiyah lust relates to worldly desires to be praised, to be rich, to get degrees and rank, loba, greed etc.
This lust corresponds to the nature of the air that becomes the body-forming element.
The nature of the air is always to fill the space while the space exists (empty space).
・Susila Budhi Dharma ・・・glance＜－－Link
PS
Character size you can be changed in the top right corner of the page.
List of articles＜－－Link