Quotation from the talk of Anyer, Indonesia. 2015/2/20
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Now it turns out she is a civil servant with the Ministry of Education and Culture.
Subud is registered under her department, [the Directorate of Traditional Beliefs and Faith in God].
Why did we register Subud Indonesia under the Ministry of Education and Culture?
Why did we register Subud Indonesia there and not as a kebatinan movement?
Subud was going to be registered as a kebatinan, or mystical path, but Bapak did not agree to that,
since Subud is not a kebatinan movement.
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First of all, it is a text of her department = [the Directorrate of Traditional Beliefs and Faith in God].
It is called Pembinaan Kepercayaan Terhadap Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan Tradisi Ditjen Kebudayaan in Indonesian.
By the way, the Ministry of Education and Culture has a department of culture Directorate General (Direktorat Jenderal Kebudayaan), there is a department that "faith and tradition station in response to the only God" (Direktorat Kepercayaan Terhadap Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan Tradisi) under that department.
And this is seemed the official name of "her department."
Direktorat Jenderal Kebudayaan<--link
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Quotation from Kebatinan in Wiki<--link
Official recognition
・・・This loosely organized current of thought and practice was legitimized in the 1945 constitution,
but failed to attain official recognition as a religion.
In 1973 it was recognized as Kepercayaan kepada Tuhan Yang Maha Esa (Indonesian: Believer in One Mighty God ),
but withdrawn from the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Religion and placed under the jurisdiction of the ministry of Education and Culture.
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Kebatinan organisations
Altogether several hundred kebatinan-groups are or have been registered, the best-known of which are:
Subud
Sumarah
Pangestu
Sapta Dharma
Majapahit Pancasila
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As you can see from the above, faith groups other than the official religions in Indonesia are organizations that have been managed by government (recognized as a so-called Kubatinan, classified by government ) and registered in the Ministry of Education and Culture.
Then it seems that it would be the department that is just "her department" = [the Directorrate of Traditional Beliefs and Faith in God] (Direktorat Kepercayaan Terhadap Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan Tradisi).
Well, it is the text of the talk to be read as if "Subud is registered in a different place against Kubatinan registered".
And it is likely a different recognition as a fact in its reading.
So Bapak certainly has been argued with "Subud is not a Kubatinan" .
Bapak has been said so and that is a historical fact.
However, five of the world religions have been registered and managed by Ministry of Religious in Indonesia.
And another organizations that believe the only god has been registered and managed as "faith groups" in the Ministry of Education and Culture.
This is a only one method to receive a government accredited, and another method to registered in the official government is not presence in Indonesia.
PS
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・・・・・
Now it turns out she is a civil servant with the Ministry of Education and Culture.
Subud is registered under her department, [the Directorate of Traditional Beliefs and Faith in God].
Why did we register Subud Indonesia under the Ministry of Education and Culture?
Why did we register Subud Indonesia there and not as a kebatinan movement?
Subud was going to be registered as a kebatinan, or mystical path, but Bapak did not agree to that,
since Subud is not a kebatinan movement.
・・・・・
First of all, it is a text of her department = [the Directorrate of Traditional Beliefs and Faith in God].
It is called Pembinaan Kepercayaan Terhadap Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan Tradisi Ditjen Kebudayaan in Indonesian.
By the way, the Ministry of Education and Culture has a department of culture Directorate General (Direktorat Jenderal Kebudayaan), there is a department that "faith and tradition station in response to the only God" (Direktorat Kepercayaan Terhadap Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan Tradisi) under that department.
And this is seemed the official name of "her department."
Direktorat Jenderal Kebudayaan<--link
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Quotation from Kebatinan in Wiki<--link
Official recognition
・・・This loosely organized current of thought and practice was legitimized in the 1945 constitution,
but failed to attain official recognition as a religion.
In 1973 it was recognized as Kepercayaan kepada Tuhan Yang Maha Esa (Indonesian: Believer in One Mighty God ),
but withdrawn from the jurisdiction of the Ministry of Religion and placed under the jurisdiction of the ministry of Education and Culture.
・・・・・
Kebatinan organisations
Altogether several hundred kebatinan-groups are or have been registered, the best-known of which are:
Subud
Sumarah
Pangestu
Sapta Dharma
Majapahit Pancasila
ーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーーー
As you can see from the above, faith groups other than the official religions in Indonesia are organizations that have been managed by government (recognized as a so-called Kubatinan, classified by government ) and registered in the Ministry of Education and Culture.
Then it seems that it would be the department that is just "her department" = [the Directorrate of Traditional Beliefs and Faith in God] (Direktorat Kepercayaan Terhadap Tuhan Yang Maha Esa dan Tradisi).
Well, it is the text of the talk to be read as if "Subud is registered in a different place against Kubatinan registered".
And it is likely a different recognition as a fact in its reading.
So Bapak certainly has been argued with "Subud is not a Kubatinan" .
Bapak has been said so and that is a historical fact.
However, five of the world religions have been registered and managed by Ministry of Religious in Indonesia.
And another organizations that believe the only god has been registered and managed as "faith groups" in the Ministry of Education and Culture.
This is a only one method to receive a government accredited, and another method to registered in the official government is not presence in Indonesia.
PS
Character size you can be changed in the top right corner of the page.
List of articles<--Link