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Julieta Avilés Julieta Avilés 1 年前 Socrates: democracy won't work if you don't educate voters first Comments in this video: so democracy bad Socrates: no, educate people into having common sense before letting them vote Comments: so democracy... bad 8447 anna najarian anna najarian 1 か月前 “democracy is only as effective as the education system that surrounds it” 2810 michael singh michael singh 1 か月前（編集済み） I accidentally read "Why Socrates hated Democrates". Thought it was his rival or some shit lol. 1399 Domenico Grimaldi Domenico Grimaldi 3 週間前 "Think about how stupid the average person is...then realize half the population is dumber than that." - George Carlin "Those who need leaders are not fit to choose them" - Michael Malice
Democracy is great in small, homogenous societies of productive citizens. When societies get big, divided, and lazy, things go downhill fast. 562 dragonslayer dragonslayer 1 か月前 Say that to all the Twitter celebrities telling everyone to vote just to vote. 673 Brandon Blount Brandon Blount 10 か月前 The man who warned against the flaws of democracy, was sentenced to death by a democratic vote... 🤦🏾♂️ 1.3万 John Bishop John Bishop 1 か月前 Democracy: "Two wolves and a sheep voting on what's for dinner" 489 labib tazwar labib tazwar 1 か月前 Guy : tells fact People : nope kill him 196 FRISHR FRISHR 5 日前 Socrates: “Plato...my allegiance isn’t to the Republic, not to Democracy!” 71 Henri Lehto Henri Lehto 1 か月前 The biggest problem with democracy is, that also every an idiot can vote. 192 Robert Wilkes Robert Wilkes 2 日前 "The best argument against democracy is a 5 minute conversation with the average voter". Churchill 10 Khalid Khalid 1 週間前 Anyone who defends democracy, go play among us and see how well that works. 35 Da gru Da gru 1 日前 That actually is not true for my country, we had a doctor, who was, in that order: - social, health and family minister - family, senior and youth minister - social and work minister - minster of defense And now is president of the European commission.
On the plus side, we have now more kindergardens for the children of our soldiers, so yeah, not a complete loss.
What a medical degree can get you into, amazes me every time I think about that.
I don't know, could it be possible, that we understood democracy wrong? Shouldn't the leading persons of a country be the most qualified, for that field?
When I look over to that "Prelection" that is currently running in the US between Biden and Trump... It is sad, to what standards this once glorious idea was lowered into. 2 Moana Soo Moana Soo 5 日前 The very last thing the narrator said strikes me like thunder: we've elected many sweet shop owners, very few doctors. Wow. Just wow. 135 oliwier oliwier 1 年前 Democracy is a system where 3 stupid people have more votes than one clever person. 1.8万 chubby cheeks chubby cheeks 3 週間前 As a Filipino I totally agree. Majority of voters are uneducated and go for who the majority wants and not who they need(and capable). And that is why politicians don't give a damn about education in the Philippines because those politicians want their voters to stay ignorant. 91 jandojando jandojando 2 日前 I'd be in favor of people to be only allowed to vote when they pass an exam that returns every few years. The exam should encompass questions about the whole political spectrum and current events, designed by a transparant impartial organisation. 5 PackerBronco PackerBronco 1 週間前 The Founding Fathers of the United States realized that democracy can be just as oppressive as a dictatorship if you happen to be in the minority and that's why they created a republic with checks and balances against centers of power including majority rule. It's a lesson that we seem to have forgotten. 38 Granda Granda 1 日前 A wise man once said, “Democracy is cringe, read some Aristotle.” GENNADIUS GENNADIUS 6 か月前 The people vote for who they like. Not for who they need 3092 Jim Glass Jim Glass 3 日前 "Trumped up charges?" Unlikely, he was literally undermining 'democracy.' 7 Busysaru Mark Busysaru Mark 1 日前 We have too many lawyers and not enough engineers. 4 Kaira Daud Kaira Daud 2 週間前 10 Reasons Why Democracy Doesn’t Work
10. Aprioristic Equality.
One of the foundations of democracy is the assumption that all votes are equal. Well, that’s the theory—but in fact it is rarely so (more on that later). It assumes that all opinions are worth the same, which is quite a big leap of faith, since we are putting the same value on the opinions of the educated and the ignorant, and the law-abiding citizens and crooks.
Even if you think that all people are created equal, it is obvious that their environments are very different—and as a result, so is their character. By assuming that all opinions are equal you are also assuming that most people are able to reach a rational, informed decision after seriously exploring all pros and cons.
9. Populism
A common criticism of democracy is that in the end it devolves into a popularity contest. Polls don’t decide who is right—that’s simply decided by whoever is most willing to say what people like to hear. As a result, many candidates to political office resort to populism, pursuing policies that focus on the immediate satisfaction of whims instead of long-term improvements.
Populist leaders focus on emotion before reason and “common sense” over more academic wisdom, which often produces bad ideas that will be defended with the stubbornness of a mule, regardless of whether they are good or bad.
8. Tribal Mentality
Let’s be honest here: mankind has not evolved much since the Stone Age. Yes, we have tamed the forces of nature and discovered a lot of things—and this Internet business is amazing. But human nature remains the same, more or less. We still think in tribal terms, “my people vs. your people”. Call it class struggle, xenophobia, nationalism, or whatever you like—the thing is that most of us identify with one group or another, and almost every meaningful group has alliances or enmities with other groups. This is part of human nature, and can work peacefully . . . or not.
In a democracy, tribal mentality is very dangerous, because it will make you vote “for your team” instead of voting according to issues. That means that whoever leads “your team” can rest assured that they have your vote, and instead of focusing on your interests, they can proceed to deal with their own. Unfair legislation can be passed if there are vocal groups in the majority (by oppressing the minority) or in the minorities (by entitling them to privileges that the majority can’t enjoy).
7. Corruption
This is not a specific flaw of democracy, and in fact it can be argued that democracy tends to be less prone to corruption than other systems, since it leaves open the possibility of ejecting someone from office. But that possibility also favors a very specific kind of corruption: machine politics, a political organization in which the bosses dole out rewards in exchange for the vote.
It can be as simple as paying money to someone in exchange for their vote, or giving someone a job in the office of the politician who commands the machine. A softer form of machine politics (or “clientelism”) involves the earmarking of federal funds for certain districts or states, so that Representatives and Senators vote for the programs those funds are allocated to.
6. Entitlements
Another side-effect of democracy is that if the State starts providing a service or a pay to someone, they begin to feel entitled to it. So if someone tries to stop providing it—well, they just made a large number of deadly foes. When Margaret Thatcher cut coal subsidies, for example, coal miners felt that their jobs had been threatened and became bitter enemies of Thatcher and her ilk. Most people will never vote for the party of someone who “took their jobs”, no matter how long ago this might have happened.
5. Mob Rule
An unrestricted democracy means that the majority decides over the minority. This leaves the minority relatively powerless—and the smaller it is, the less power it wields. Which means that the smallest minority of all—the individual—is effectively depending on his agreement with the majority.
To account for this problem, mature democracies have developed a set of checks and balances in an attempt to make sure that it doesn’t happen; chief among these is the separation of the powers of the State. But this actually makes a system less democratic, since it interferes with the principle of “people’s power.”
4. Complex Accountability
When a dictatorship falls, it is fairly easy to hold someone accountable for any crimes committed by the State. It is certainly easier than in a democracy, since in that case, officials have been elected by the people. If those officials have committed a crime in opposition to their official platform and without the knowledge of the public, it is simply their own fault and the people who voted for them are innocent. But if a candidate advocates curtailing human rights for a minority, and upon finding himself elected to office, carries out his plan . . . are not the voters also responsible in some degree?
3. State Secrets
All states have dirty skeletons in the cupboard. In a dictatorship they are just discreetly hidden, sometimes in plain sight. In a democracy, which tends to rely on moral superiority, this is difficult to carry out.
People have a right to know—at least in theory. Spying and covert operations are part of the daily workings of the state, admittedly sometimes for the greater good (such as when the police infiltrate a criminal organization to put their members on trial). But their efficiency runs against their transparency. A perfectly democratic system would be transparent, and as such, no covert operations could be effectively carried out.
2. Democracy Is Unsustainable
As seen in points three, four, and five, a perfect democracy is unsustainable—but a mostly democratic system can (and does) work. In many democratic countries, your vote only measures up against other votes in your district. So if your district runs a majority system and you vote for a losing runner, then your vote was useless. You can use a proportional system, but that doesn’t solve the problem: the issue still remains that large numbers of people can effectively “waste their vote.”
1. It Can’t Really Work
That pure democracy cannot work is not a personal opinion—it is a mathematical result of Arrow’s impossibility theorem. According to this theorem, so long as there are more than two candidates, there is no possible voting system that can ensure the satisfaction of three crucial criteria for fairness:
– If every voter prefers alternative X over alternative Y, then the group prefers X over Y.
– If every voter’s preference between X and Y remains unchanged, then the group’s preference between X and Y will also remain unchanged.
– There is no “dictator”; no single voter possesses the power to always determine the group’s preference. If these criteria are left unsatisfied, it effectively means that democracy—at least in its purest form—cannot work. 151 Eyre Borne Eyre Borne 3 週間前 Democracy without education is like handing a knife to a child. Without proper knowledge, a tool of great use can turn into a weapon of self-harm. 32 bbabak2 bbabak2 1 年前（編集済み） "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." Winston Churchill 1.8万 Yoctopory Yoctopory 3 週間前 "Democracy is mob rule" - Thomas Jefferson 71 Doyle Hughes Doyle Hughes 2 週間前 "Stop posting stupid quotes." - Abraham Lincoln 53 Arne Brix Arne Brix 2 週間前 One thing to consider: doctors at the time of socrates were more likely to kill you than sweets. 38 Edgar Bikermas Edgar Bikermas 3 日前 Democracy is like your next door neighbour: Confidently ,you let him know where you keep an extra key for your door in case of an emergency,then in the middle of the night,he comes over and stills your property,only to return early morning and says to you: I heard you got robbed? 3 anurag yadav anurag yadav 6 か月前 Mark Twain once said "If voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it. " 2754 TheOnemanmoshpit TheOnemanmoshpit 3 時間前 This is so relevant in the USA and UK right now. 4 Another Citizen Another Citizen 3 週間前 This was also Jefferson’s argument. An educated populace is necessary for a democracy. 28 Koustav Chatterjee Koustav Chatterjee 1 か月前 This comment section is a perfect illustration of the Dunning-Kruger effect. 66 Greg Warner Greg Warner 1 か月前 Socrates was a brilliant person that was comptous of everyone dumber than him. That was everyone. To him Democracy was an absurdity. 61 Hypnotized81 Hypnotized81 1 年前 So he didn't "hate democracy" he just pointed out that you need to be capable of logical thinking before you get to vote... 5746 Kurt Kobain 12g Kurt Kobain 12g 1 週間前 “Democracy is cringe read some aristotle” 4 True That True That 1 日前 This is an excellent point I have to agree with Socrates. We are all not capable of an intelligent well thought out decision most of us act off of impulse. 2 SwayJJ SwayJJ 2 週間前 We in the west have been propagandised to believe at a very young age that democracy is inherently “good” and anything else is inherently evil “evil”. This is a perfect explanation of why democracy flawed 4 72dew 72dew 4 日前 Imagine the entire hospital staff (including the janitors) gets a vote on how to operate on your heart 3 Jamie Sydney Jamie Sydney 10 か月前 "Democracy means that 'my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov 6153 innosanto innosanto 10 か月前 Yes and in this way it motivates the system and the knowledgable people to spread the knowledge so that ignorance is reduced. Because this is the solution if the ignorance gets same weight. The other solution would be to give greater weight to the knowledgable but you increase their power and reduce even more the power deficit of the ignorant ( who already have some lack due to ignorance) and also you motivate increase of the gap by increasing the power of knowdgeable and lessen the power of the ignorant. 95 Fogmoz Fogmoz 10 か月前 @innosanto That used to work, but today spreading ignorance has never been easier. The knowledgeable are far outnumbered and easily drowned out. We live in a time where a single well-funded hit piece is enough to refute hundreds of independently researched, peer-reviewed articles.
It also doesn't help when your elected Sweet Shop Owner (and his political party) constantly denigrates intellectual institutions for the sole purpose of keeping the poorly educated easily manipulated. 237 Yugioh Amersfoort Yugioh Amersfoort 9 か月前 innosanto you present it like if it’s a bad thing to further reduce the power of ignorant people that way. Why? You know, the way democracy functions now is the way to keep everyone quiet and a little bit satisfied. I don’t think that leads to an optimal result for humanity. 17 Lau Fiu Lau Fiu 9 か月前（編集済み） I hate democracy because it has created leaders whom follow the tide. One minute they're going one way, the next they're headed in the opposite direction. FOH 45 Lau Fiu Lau Fiu 9 か月前 @innosanto well yes the goal should be to destroy your so called gap and encourage all to become knowledgeable. 4 Infamous Shini Infamous Shini 9 か月前 @innosanto if ignorant are great equally as to intellectual then it'll send a msg that it's ok to be ignorant... 17 DarkVortex42 DarkVortex42 9 か月前 what if only graduated people could vote? 6 FU meCK FU meCK 9 か月前 @Lau Fiu But what if "all" can't be knowledgeable? The avg. IQ is 100; half of the public score below that. (70+ IQ is in the retarded zone). Ex. How does a country build/maintain nuclear plant in a country whose avg IQ is 70(sub-saharan africa)? What if the public, 70IQ, demand coal instead? 7 Jamie Sydney Jamie Sydney 9 か月前 @DarkVortex42 That is a truly stupid statement. The modern education system is a joke, graduates come up with skillsets nowhere near what is required from modern business (society in this conversation) most of them are unemployable. Universities use the same 50 year old curriculum so everything is outdated. They have a I paradigm of regurgitation not contemplation so they want you to parrot back the same 50 year old shit to reinforce their false and grossly inflated sense of self intelligence, which is absolutely the opposite of what you want from a team of specialists making a decision. You need radical thinkers, deep thinkers, thought provokers not voice recorders. I want the conscious mind making decisions not the subconscious. Don't consider education equal to thought or intelligence or more importantly imagination or predictive rationalising. Finally universities are the domain of the rich, so you are basically giving all political power to the rich, which is possibly the worst idea in the world. Every person should have the ability and right to be chosen to be on a committee but as it says in the bible 'by their works ye will know them'. 43 Anil Jaiswal Anil Jaiswal 9 か月前 Kowalski! Analysis? 7 Gopinathan Munappy Gopinathan Munappy 1 日前 Because Socrates foreseen US 2020 election. 1 nemo227 nemo227 1 週間前 The voting requirements in the USA are pretty simple, so simple that even the simple minded can vote. But, what the hell, even the simply minded can run for office and get elected. I'm not trashing our main political parties but we should look around and evaluate which major party operates the best cities. Which party kills incentive. Which party makes it easier to start a business, make a living, reduces the complexity of living and operating in society? Which party makes more and more rules? 2 ColourfulDawn ColourfulDawn 1 か月前 Palpatine: "I love democracy." After Clone War, Republic -> Empire 22 AngelusVastator AngelusVastator 1 日前 I unironically want a philosopher king to rule a country. Concerned Canadian Concerned Canadian 3 か月前 2020 and low and behold...Socrates was right. The average citizen is clueless and generally votes with his emotions. 2583 Jin Jin 1 日前 Well, it was the system that ended up killing him. Dr Monarch Dr Monarch 1 週間前（編集済み） Perfect example is the American "democracy" the hemlock of scoretes 2 Debjit Paul Debjit Paul 3 週間前 India had elected a tea-shop owner back in 2014, and yeah, we can clearly see the democracy failing here. 3 Steven Yourke Steven Yourke 1 日前 Socrates has contempt for the people. He was a reactionary, like Plato, and a supporter of oligarchy. 3nertia 3nertia 10 か月前 "If voting worked, they wouldn't let us do it" -- Mark Twain 2418 tomonsterheard tomonsterheard 2 日前 Because we end up with a bunch of “college educated” youngings who think they’re smarter than everybody and try to force their will and thought process upon others. We end up with them controlling what is going on, yet none of them have any life experience to tell a bag of salt from a bag of coke. 2 Paul Keiser Paul Keiser 3 週間前 But who is qualified to determine who is wise enough to vote? Isn’t this a recipe for tyranny because the ruling class can just educate the public in the way they want them to vote, and then just classify everyone who doesn’t tow the line as unwise?
I think the flaw with democracy is that it’s essentially mob rule, and the arguementum ad populum fallacy applied to law. But I don’t think there’s anyone wise enough to objectively determine who the ‘voting class’ should be. 3 dis play dis play 1 日前 So, who gets to decide whether someone has thought rationally and deeply enough to vote? and who gets to decide who the decider should be? Pat Donnelly Pat Donnelly 3 週間前 "Annnnd....Socrates himself was permanently pi$$ed!' Monty Python song lyrics that always come to mind when I hear the word 'Socrates'. 1 Spoil Something Spoil Something 1 年前 As George Carlin put it: “Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups” 3645 The A-Hole Gamer and Friends The A-Hole Gamer and Friends 2 週間前 Bill and Ted: "So-crates!" 2 loolfactorie loolfactorie 2 週間前 I love all the comments saying how democracy allows "stupid people to vote", and how all it simply takes is education to make someone worthy of voting. Good luck finding an completely politically unbiased education that isn't being funded by mega-corporations supporting political agenda's that influences ideas onto people. What happens when someone says "sorry, your education isn't good" and you cannot afford or have the time to "re-educate"? Who gets to decide what level of education is required, and what the criteria is, and who ensures those people are "educated" correctly themselves. I think most of these comments are from people with an overinflated sense of intelligence, as if they will automatically belong to this club of elite-educated voters. Good luck with that. 3 Alexander Primo Alexander Primo 2 週間前 "Democracy is a kingless regime infested by many kings who are sometimes more exclusive, tyrannical and destructive than one, even if he be a tyrant"
Benito Mussolini 5 deepm0e deepm0e 3 週間前（編集済み） I too, don't believe in democracy. But I don't like the anti-Trump message being worked in here... The truth is that the problem of power, how to give power to the few who are not too incompetent neither too evil, or prone to evil, but who have the virtues of strength and a noble heart. Is very difficult indeed. If one tries to educate a select group on how to vote, then the real power is transferred to the people controlling that education.
As it stands, in USA for example. The media and education system tells people what is good or bad and what they should think, through many moves of emotional manipulation and framing. It's pretty shit. But the system is hard to change. And to enforce a new system that does not become corrupted, even if it's good from the start, is a huge challenge. 9 ArchetypeGotoh ArchetypeGotoh 10 か月前（編集済み） The difficulty with today’s “democracy” is that half the people are stupid and vote anyway, and the other half vote only to block the decisions of the stupid half. Balance. And the education surrounding our voters has largely been corrupted by the first set of stupid people. 1463 Julian Hernandez Julian Hernandez 1 か月前 "Meaningful quote"
The problem with educating the masses is that the powerful determine education. The only reason I am writing this now is because I have received a private education that focuses on a progressive and thoughtful mindset to create leaders in the world. Government run education seems to have a focus on preparing students for servitude in a job with the side task of helping students with their "critical thinking" skills based on my experiences with public education up to my teens. Kyrin Kyrin 1 日前 Democracy is indoctrinated to Western and Western allies' youth as perfect, free, and taken for granted as unquestionable whereas ever other system is bad. All ideology WeezeRaider WeezeRaider 5 日前 "Half the quotes in these comments never happened and cannot be verified" - Ronald Reagan 1 pokenei pokenei 1 か月前 Democracy also didn't take into account of the dirty covert operations like the CIA and mainstream media brainwashing. 2 Castle Archon Castle Archon 2 週間前 Who then gets to say who is educated and who is not? Those people control everything then. 38 Keiffs S Keiffs S 2 日前 when you have a majority group voting on issues experienced by a minority, the minority’s voice, and vote, are rendered powerless and unheard. where is the democracy in that? especially when politicians use this to their advantage Jordan Kamellard Jordan Kamellard 4 か月前 Did my thesis on this at uni: when socrates was sentenced to death, it was done so under the expectation that he would flee the city. this was common practice, and after some time, his allies in the city would have been able to quash the judgement and secure his safe return to the city. but by accepting his death sentence he chose to give the middle finger to democracy, choosing death simply to prove the validity of his argument. 3015 L. W L. W 2 日前 Common knowledge. Just look at the presidents of Murica
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